Showing posts with label Seymour Furth. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Seymour Furth. Show all posts

Sunday, March 6, 2016

The Mystery behind Seymour Furth, and the best Vaudeville accompanists

I don't think I've ever mentioned Theodore Morse on this blog before, but he was a fascinating character of early Tin Pan Alley and had an odd influence on early recordings. Morse was considered one of he best stage accompanists in his day, along with Seymour Furth, Fred Hylands and Mike Bernard. The evidence is here:

Who was Seymour Furth exactly? Well, that's a hard question to answer directly, as looking through a bunch of popular sheet music from 1901-1909, one can certainly find "Seymour Furth" listed as the composer on quite a lot of this music. Seeing that alone can get someone curious. Just out of coincidence, most of you early sheet music collectors probably have a bunch of music by Seymour Furth anyhow, as he did write a whole lot of very popular show tunes in the era just before Tin Pan Alley. 

From what I have noticed, Furth was essentially the same thing Fred Hylands was. By this, it is meant that he was a stage pianist, music director, composer, and publisher all in one. In fact, I would bet that they were competitors once Hylands got thrown out of Columbia in 1905. Though they probably were competitors starting in the late-1890's, this competition would have become more prominent by the time Columbia wasn't having to deal with Fred. I did some "digging" this evening to see if I could find anything on Furth, and at this didn't get really far, but I found a list of Broadway shows that he directed and did the music for, which certainly says something. He did more shows than Hylands did, so that also in some sort of indicator. 

I have the feeling that Furth was less complicated, calmer, and musically weird than Hylands or Mike Bernard. Which must have added to the fact that Furth was considered the best stage accompanist out there in 1900. He must have been a much easier person to deal with than Bernard or Hylands(as they were both full of themselves, especially Bernard). We still don't really know too many details about Furth though, which is very odd, because clearly he was brilliant and beloved, more so than Bernard was. He was clearly a great composer, as here you can hear one of his Rags:
He had some very creative musical ideas, that were very stylish and probably changed slightly with the times just like Hylands did. He was writing music in 1898 and 1899, so at this, his style probably sounded reminiscent of Max Hoffman or Ben Harney, as did many of the "Rag" pianists of the late-1890's. Hoffman's amazing skill at writing music was really what made him so famous in the Rag-Time community, as all of the other greats in the "New York Rag Time Community", didn't exactly know how to get all of their ideas written out to the exact syncopation and rhythmic ideas. 
I would guess that Furth was someone similar to this as well, since his music was all over the place, that says something.  Yes, I know, Harney wrote out all of those great songs he did, like "Mister Johnson Turn me Loose" in 1896 with the syncopated patterns that he played (kind of), but think about that for a moment. He had to go to John Biller in Louisville back in 1895 to get him to write out "You've Been a Good Old Wagon", because no one knew how to write out how he played the song. Biller didn't even get it exact. The fact that Harney had to go to someone else who was proficient in writing music to write out his piece really can probably apply to many of the earliest popular "Rag" pianists. 

Refer to Hylands' "Darkey Volunteer". That piece is a perfect example of the wild nature of Hylands, as it's got lots of notes, and speckles of Rag-Time everywhere. There aren't too many of the early "Rags" out there that were that scattered. Even most of Bernard's music makes sense, though we well know that his playing is very hard to understand, both back then, and even now. 
Yes indeed. Bernard had the fastest fingers in vaudeville in the pre-Tin Pan Alley era. And I thought Hylands was fast! Nope, that is exactly why Bernard won all of those Rag-Time contests in the late-1890's. Bernard was among the best accompanists according to the managers on broadway, though his rhythm was terrible, and he was the most terribly vain of all the pianists the managers wanted. Since Hylands was Pastor's music man(music director at Pastor's theater) in 1896(?)-1897, he knew Bernard well, and probably had his share of bouts with him. 

There were a few of these "Rag" pianists who were left out from being called best of the best, and this includes Burt Green and Ben Harney. More specifically Burt Green, because he was certainly good, and was used at Huber's museum/theater, which was certainly a real feat. Green was a friend of Hylands, and as we might expect, was not really the best thing for him, being an imitator of Harney, that went very well with the people, but being a close friend of Fred Hylands' was not exactly with the same connotations. Did he know Seymour Furth? Probably. It might have been distant, like Hylands and Max Hoffmann. All these pianists must have been aware of each other's styles, as when we hear Mike Bernard play in those Columbia's, it is clear that his inspirations are present. By this, I mean those like Max Hoffmann, Fred Hylands, and Ben Harney. 
Such as this one here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWZMqNf15ws
Now, for a comparison, listen to Hylands' "Turkey in the Straw" with Billy Golden from 1898. It literally almost sounds like Bernard is behind Golden on this. Yep, I definitely hear those similarities. Also, there were some things that Hylands plays here that can be heard in Furth's "Pinochle Rag" from many years later. 
The one thing that can be easily compared between Hylands playing "Turkey in the Straw" to Bernard playing "The 1915 Rag" is that they have the same amount of frantic-ness toward the end of the records. If you listen, it's exactly the same kind of frantic on both recordings. Bernard tried not to really trip himself over with all the notes, which he kind of does anyway. Hylands is trying to avoid this as well, but since he was just enough controlled, he was able to keep it all there(just about). Bernard was not accustomed to studio playing though, none of the stage accompanists knew what that was like truly, other than Hylands of course. He probably thought he was much better than everyone because he lived a horrid eight years working as a studio pianist, and none of those other pianists had any idea of what a horror that was. 
The only other one of them who would have any idea of how terrible being a studio pianist was, would be Burt Green. Green worked as Hylands' "gopher" if you will, for that short period of time he was a publisher in 1899-1900. As Fred's "gopher", he was the one who tended to his firm(his flat) while his master was gone the whole day until late in the evenings, more often than not, drunk or drugged. 
That's another thing. All of these other stage pianists lived longer than Hylands. Even Burt Green outlived Hylands by a few years(he died in 1921). Hmm... that's odd to ponder, but it's true. Hylands was probably the most brilliant, but did the most damage to his body in such a short period of time. Theodore More died in 1924, which meant that he was fifty when he croaked. That's much better than Hylands' 41. But of course, Max Hoffmann outlived pretty much everyone, dying in 1963 pretty much says everything. 

I wish Jim Walsh interviewed him.



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Saturday, October 17, 2015

Burt Green, Fred Hylands, and Irene Franklin

Hey look! It's Burt Green! 

Yes indeed. Burt Green, the husband of Irene Franklin and one of Fred Hylands' musical thieves. Burt Green was not considered one of the the best accompanists in vaudeville, unlike Fred Hylands and Seymour Furth, and it's pretty evident by how he plays from the few records he's the pianist on. He wasn't the best accompanist in the world, but he must have been a riot of a guy, and he and Fred Hylands must have been unstoppable as publishers. 

Now what I just said about Burt being one of Hylands' musical thieves is referring to his piano style. I just listened to the two cylinders from 1912 and 1913 of Burt and his wife Irene Franklin:
There she is around 1910. Gorgeous ain't she? 
Well, on the few records that Burt made with Irene, with him accompanying her, he plays some things that sound an awful lot like this familiar chap:
Hm! Fred Hylands. Now I'm not really saying that Green stole from Hylands, I'm saying that he heard and practically lived with the man for a year at his publishing firm back in 1899. From doing this, he got an "overdose" of  Hylands' shenanigans to imitate his playing almost exactly. Green was a great imitator, as he was known for being one of the the first to play and dance Rag-Time, under the intention of mocking Ben Harney's style to perfection as it was once said. Here is that one cylinder that I really mean:
Really take a listen! Franklin's singing is really fantastic no doubt, but listen closely to Green's accompaniment. Hmm...where have I heard a trill like that at the very beginning? 
Take these two cylinders as examples:
Listen for the trill at the "song and Dance" part at the end on this one:
There are countless examples of Hylands playing like this. The fact that Burt Green really did play like Hylands, struck me first this evening when listening to that cylinder by Green and Franklin above. So with Green's great mimicry, he was easily keen on using this gift in his piano styling. He first imitated Harney and Mike Bernard, then later Fred Hylands. 
He was probably anxious to learn from Hylands when he began the publishing firm with him in 1899, and when they came in together after recording days, or on days off, they must have exchanged all sort of ideas. Burt must have watched Hylands play in the closest of detail. He must have watched how he played everything that was distinct to his style, how he used the pedals, and what he did with his left hand. Hylands may or may not have been aware of Green's close examining, or he was, and was being all showy for him. The 24 year old Green must have been cross examining Hylands' mastery in amazement and took in everything he heard. These times of creation must have been fascinating. Burt Green was the sponge absorbing all the music he heard, and Hylands was the genius with the love for Rag-Time in his blood.
Just for another comparison, here is the other cylinder by Green and Franklin from 1912:
He still sounds like Hylands. After 14 years, he still perpetuated that queer style of his old friend, who by the way, was still alive when this was recorded. It may have been issued the year that Hylands died, but it was recorded the year before that. I even hear in Green's accompaniments the rare characteristic of the fifths in the octaves that Hylands used quite often on his records. You can faintly hear it twice on the cylinder above. The ending of Green's accompaniment is also a mess, which I'm pretty sure was not intended. It just falls apart in a single line. 
The only thing that Green could never steal from Hylands was his feel and sense of rhythm. He could never get it right, in fact, no one could. His was perfect in many ways, and his time was far better than any of the usual accompanists heard on records, he had an even better sense of time than Frank P. Banta, and C. H. H. Booth. Banta had already a fantastic sense of time, but when you put Hylands in the picture, that changes it entirely. 
You can hear the wonderful stylings of Banta on these two cylinders here, with wonderful rhythmic choices:
http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/search.php?queryType=@attr+1=1020&num=1&start=1&query=cylinder2649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groIZgk0EJU(music starts at 3:30!)
These may be near perfect sounding examples of Rag-Time on cylinders, with exceptional tempo choices by Banta, but compare it with Hylands:
http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/search.php?queryType=@attr+1=1020&num=1&start=1&query=cylinder8436

https://ia700407.us.archive.org/17/items/ArthurCollins_part1/ArthurCollins-BillBaileyWontYouPleaseComeHomeCoonSong.mp3(Hylands' time on this one is a little shaky, only because he must be a little but tipsy, but it's still one of the best examples recorded Rag-Time from the Rag-Time era itself.)
https://ia700407.us.archive.org/17/items/ArthurCollins_part1/ArthurCollins-EveryDarkyHadaRaglanOnCoonSong.mp3
Banta had great rhythm, but his choices of tempo were not always perfect, and his time coordinating with the right hand syncopation didn't always work either. Hylands had mastered this style and skill by 1896, and perfected it by 1898. Banta was a natural pianist, just like Hylands, but like Burt Green, he had to catch on and really think about how to play this "Ragged" music. Burt Green was only able to keep Hylands' styling alive until 1921, which was only 8 years after Hylands died. That's really unfortunate to think about, and there are less than 20 pianists, at least, in the entire world to-day who have ever acknowledged Hylands' playing and have ever tried to imitate his style, just like Burt Green did. 


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